fennek
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 01:43 pm Post subject: Mis vahet seal on?
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katlino
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 04:27 pm Post subject:
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Mind vahest jubedalt ärritab see, kuidas rikkad moslemid heategevusega ei tegele. Kui Lahe piirkonnas ringi vaadata, siis tundub, et kus rohkem jõukust, seal rohkem valskust, et seda jõukust juurde tuleks.. ning omakasu ning vaesete 'ahistamine' (näiteks teenijad) ületab igasugused piirid.
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fennek
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 06:42 pm Post subject:
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Mind vahest jubedalt ärritab see, kuidas rikkad moslemid heategevusega ei tegele. Kui Lahe piirkonnas ringi vaadata, siis tundub, et kus rohkem jõukust, seal rohkem valskust, et seda jõukust juurde tuleks.. ning omakasu ning vaesete 'ahistamine' (näiteks teenijad) ületab igasugused piirid.
maletad seda varssi - araablased on koige hullemad silmakirjatsejad?
Hadithitest leidsin ma viisi ka, kuidas nad hoiduvad oma zakat maksmisest.Nimelt oli seal kirjas, et zakat makstakse varade pealt, mis on liigutamata seisnud terve aasta. ja siis tuleb maksta seda kord aastas ramadani ajal.
See on sisuliselt Jumala sona yle naermine, sest Koraani jargi tuleb maksta "on the day of harvest" ehk siit saan ma aru et paeval, mil tulu meile tuleb, tuleb kohe osa ara anda et seda tulu puhastada (zakat - puhastumine). Ja samuti on oeldud nt sojasaagi kohta, et see tuleb jagada prohveti poolt orbudele, vaestele, reisijatele jne. et see ei jaaks monopoliseeritult vaheste rikaste katte.. Jallegi ilmselge et raha kuhjadena sailitamine ajal, mil teised nalgivad korval naabruses, pole moslemile kohane tegu.
Tegelikult kui jargi moelda, siis 90% maailma rikkustest on 2% inimeste kaes. Samal ajal kui aafrikas miljonid nalgivad, ei tea pururikkad, mida selle rahaga peale hakata.
Samas kui need rikkused laiali jaotada koigi vahel, elaksid koik palju paremini ja nalga ilmselgelt keegi ei jaaks.
Koraanist jai silma veelgi naiteks motteid:
2:219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: “In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.” And they ask you how much they are to give, say: “The excess.” It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.
Koraanis on oeldud et yleliigne tuleb ara anda.. See ei ole vorreldab 2,5%-ga, mida hadithite jargi tuleb puhastumiseks (zakat) jagada. Jallegi on Jumala systeemi moistlikkus ilmne : vaese jaoks, kel vaevu enesele syya on, on 2,5% vahel suht suur summa. Samas kui pururikka jaoks, kel seda ilmselgelt VAJA pole, on see sisuliselt mitte midagi..
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tarmo
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 10:52 am Post subject:
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8:41 You should know that anything you gain, then one-fifth shall go to God and the messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the traveller. You will do this if you believe in God and in what We revealed to Our servant on the day of the Criterion, the day the two armies clashed. God is able to do all things.
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katlino
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 11:07 am Post subject:
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8:41 You should know that anything you gain, then one-fifth shall go to God and the messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the traveller.
See on toodud "Sõjasaagi" (Al Anfal) peatükis, kus siis on mõeldud sõjasaaki.
Eksimine on inimlik ja kahjuks teeme me seda kõik. Samuti on äärmiselt lihtne hakata asju segamini ajama ilma, et nende tausta teada.
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fennek
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 09:09 pm Post subject:
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Lugesin 8. peatykki algusest peale ja toepoolest kaib jutt sojapidamsiest ja sojast. Tolkeid antud varsile oli selliseid:
Edip Yuksel 8:41 You should know: "Of anything you gain, that one-fifth shall go to God and the messenger: to the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the wayfarer." You will do this if you acknowledge God and in what We revealed to Our servant on the day of distinction, the day the two armies clashed. God is able to do all things.
The Monotheist Group 8:41 And know that anything you profit, one-fifth shall go to God and the messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the wayfarer.” You will do this if you believe in God and in what We revealed to Our servant on the day of the Criterion, the day the two armies clashed. God is able to do all things.
Muhammad Asad 8:41 AND KNOW that whatever booty you acquire [in war], one-fifth thereof belongs to God and the Apostle, and the near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer.41 [This you must observe] if you believe in God and in what We bestowed from on high upon Our servant on the day when the true was distinguished from the false - the day when the two hosts met in battle. And God has the power to will anything.42
Rashad Khalifa 8:41 You should know that if you gain any spoils in war, one-fifth shall go to GOD and the messenger, to be given to the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien. You will do this if you believe in GOD and in what we revealed to our servant on the day of decision, the day the two armies clashed. GOD is Omnipotent.
voiks ju nagu eeldada et jutt kaib toepoolest sojasaagist.. 2:219 oleks ju muidu suht mottetu varss. Sest kui anda tuleb toepoolest 20%, siis mis oleks 2:219 point?
Ja siis oli kusagil veel yks varss, mida ma praegu yles ei leia esimese hooga, aga jutt oli selline, et ara anna liiga vahe ja ara anna liiga palju.. Kui anda tuleb 20%, siis kuidas saaks anda liiga vahe voi liiga palju?
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fennek
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 09:14 pm Post subject:
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yles leidsin need varsid, mida silmas pidasin
17:26-29
26 "You shall give the due alms to the relatives, the needy, the poor, and the travelling alien, but do not be excessive, extravagant.
27 "The extravagant are brethren of the devils, and the devil is unappreciative of his Lord.
28 "Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner.
29 "You shall not keep your hand stingily tied to your neck, nor shall you foolishly open it up, lest you end up blamed and sorry."
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tarmo
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Posted: 11 Jul 2008 01:03 pm Post subject:
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õigust räägite
tänud
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katlino
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Posted: 11 Jul 2008 04:19 pm Post subject:
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tarmo wrote:
õigust räägite
Järgmine kord parandad Sind mind ja vaat, kui targaks me siis kõik saame
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fennek
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Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:54 am Post subject:
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tarmo wrote:
õigust räägite
tänud
Tanud ikka Jumalale eks
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Posted: 13 Jul 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:
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Mina tanan ka Jumalat, et yks teema usu asjus on jalle selgeks saanud!
Et kellele ja kui palju annetada.
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tarmo
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Posted: 14 Jul 2008 01:58 pm Post subject:
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fennek wrote:
tarmo wrote:
õigust räägite
tänud
Tanud ikka Jumalale eks
ütlematagi selge
Pealeht 
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