VF: Halal liha

kikukukuke



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Posted: 20 Feb 2008 08:35 pm Post subject: Halal

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Tere sooviksin teada kas ja kust on v6imalik osta liha mida s88vad Moslemid (halal) Eestis, kas meil eksisteerib sellist poodi?


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fennek



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Posted: 20 Feb 2008 09:02 pm Post subject:

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Teretulemast foorumisse!

Tapselt ei tea, kuna ei ela alaliselt eestis ja louna-eestis kindlalt pole. Tallinnas ehk moshees teatakse asjast midagi? Ehk nemad organiseerivad?

Samas pani motlema, et kosher on ka ju "halal" ja akki on kusagil kosher-sertifikaadiga liha myygil?

Samas tasub kaalumist ka Koraanis oeldu:

Say ," I do not find in the revelations given to me ANY food that is prohibited for ANY eater except: a) carrion, b) running blood,c) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and d) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than God." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful. (Quran, 6:145; 2:173; 16:115)

Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. (Animals that die of themselves include those) strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning (the eradication of) your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food), without being deliberatel sinful, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful. (Quran, 5:3)


Eestis myydav kanaliha on selle jargi halal, kuna Jumal on selgelt oelnud, et MITTE YKSKI toit pole peale nende nelja juhu keelatud:
*ise surnud loomad
*jooksev veri
*sealiha
*iidolitele pyhendatud ohvriliha

Seega naiteks vabalt voib osta poest kana, loomaliha, lambaliha jne Selleks aga et see oleks lubatud (halal), peame meenutama Jumala nime enne soomist. Ja seda peab tegema igayks meist, seda ei saa keegi teise eest teha (tuleta meelde kristlaste puhul naiteks soogipalve - sama otstarve. Samuti juutidel..)
You shall eat from that upon which GOD's name has been pronounced, if you truly believe in His revelations. Why should you not eat from that upon which GOD's name has been mentioned? He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.You shall avoid obvious sins, as well as the hidden ones. Those who have earned sins will surely pay for their transgressions. Do not eat from that upon which the name of GOD has not been mentioned, for it is an abomination. The devils inspire their allies to argue with you; if you obey them, you will be idol worshipers. (Quran, 6:118-121)

They consult you concerning what is lawful (ahalla) for them; say, "Lawful (ahalla) for you are all good things, including what trained dogs and falcons catch for you." You train them according to GOD's teachings. You may eat what they catch for you, and mention GOD's name thereupon. You shall observe GOD. GOD is most efficient in reckoning. (Quran, 5:4)

Tanapaeva moslemimaailmas on levinud arusaam, et halal'iks teeb liha tapmismeetod samas kui Koraani jargi on teatud tapsmismeetodid keelatud (strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars)
aga tanapaeva tapamajades vaevalt et selliseid meetodeid kasutatakse looma tapmiseks ja tehakse siiski koikvoimalik, et loom ei piinleks. See, kas tapja lausub Jumala nime voi ei, on tema mure, sest Jumal karistab iga inimest ainult oma tegude eest.

And eat from the good and lawful (ahalla) things that GOD has provided for you. You shall reverence GOD, in whom you are believers. (Quran, 5:88)

Pole kyll kusagilt lugenud, et tapamajas tapetud looma liha ei laheks kategooria"good" alla. Tervislikkuse seisukohta voi liha headust see vast ei mojuta. Ning juutide ja kristlaste toit on meile halal..

kui huvi on, siis pikemalt saad lugeda
http://islam.forumsvibe.com/viewtopic.php?t=81&mforum=islam
soovitan see artikkel yle vaadata, seal on mitmeid varsse Koraanist valja toodud seisukohtade toestuseks.

Eks otsusta ise muidugi aga mina isiklikult usun, et koik hea toit poelettidel on lubatud, kui ta just keelatu kategoorias pole (sealiha ja veretooted siis peamiselt)

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Nektub



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Posted: 20 Feb 2008 10:44 pm Post subject:

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Just nimelt, ega Eesti tapamajades ju loomi kellelegile ebajumalale ei puhendata,seega voib suua.
Aga seda "halal kana" muuakse isegi monel pool vaikestes putkades,Harjumaal naiteks on muugil 2,5 kg pakk kanakoibi kulmutatult.Juhtusin Eestit kulastades tuttava moslemi pool seda sooma.
Aga kindlasti oleks kasulik tahelepanu poorata liha kvaliteedile,kui voimalik, vaadata, mis toidul on loom ules kasvanud.
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tarmo



Joined: 11 Jun 2007
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Posted: 21 Feb 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

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Nektub wrote:
Aga seda "halal kana" muuakse isegi monel pool vaikestes putkades,Harjumaal naiteks on muugil 2,5 kg pakk kanakoibi kulmutatult.Juhtusin Eestit kulastades tuttava moslemi pool seda sooma.
see ei ole usu küsimus aga tervislikkuse seisukohast lisan siia sellise info, et toiduained sügavkülmutuse tõttu kaotavad palju oma (kasulikest) omadustest.

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kikukukuke



Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Posted: 21 Feb 2008 06:16 pm Post subject: Halal

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Aitäh kiirete vastuste eest!

Lihtsalt asi selles et mulle tuleb varsti kylaline kes on pärit Lääne Saharast ja ta tundis sygavat muret, et kas meil Eestis ikka on Halal liha ja ma jäingi talle vastuse v6lgu ja valet vastust nagu ka ei tahaks anda...



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fennek



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Posted: 21 Feb 2008 06:42 pm Post subject:

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Sel juhul ytle et ei ole. Isegi kui on, siis mina ei oska oelda, kust leiaks ka.

aga igaks juhuks tsekka lehele islam.pri.ee ja mine sealsele foorumile. nemad seal traditsiooniliste vaadetega rahvas, paljud elavad eestis ka. Nad oskavad kindlasti tapselt oelda.

rahu!