Elevandi inimesed

Rahu,
tekkis selline küsimus, et kas keegi siin oskaks mulle täpsemalt seletada, kes on elevandi inimesed, kelledest räägib suura 105?

105:1 Have you not seen what your Lord did to the people of the elephant?
105:2 Did He not cause their schemes to go astray?
105:3 And He sent upon them formations of birds in flight.
105:4 Striking them with fiery projectiles.
105:5 Until He turned them like devoured hay.

Rahu.

Ise leidsin muidu sellise seletuse (ühe neist), mis kõige enam kattub Koraani värssidega.

According to this story, Abraha, Governor or King of Yemen built a great church at Sanaa in honor of his ally the Negus, a Christian Abyssinian Emperor. The church gained widespread fame, even gaining the notice of the Byzantines. The pagan Arabs of the time had their own center of religious worship and pilgrimage in Mecca, the Kaaba. Abraha then proceeded to attempt to divert their pilgrimage to his new cathedral and is reported to have appointed and sent a Muhammad Khuza’i to Mecca and the Hijaz as a king with a message that his church was both much better than their house of worship and purer, having not been defiled by the housing of idols.

Abraha, incensed, launched an expedition of 40,000 men against the Kaaba at Mecca led by a white elephant (and possibly with other elephants) in order to destroy the Kaaba. Several Arab tribes attempted to fight him on the way, but were defeated.

Other sources state that Abraha’s elephant couldn’t make further steps into Mecca. Neither force nor dissuasion would make it advance towards Mecca. If they turned him towards Syria or Yemen, it would walk in haste but when he was turned towards the Kaaba, it would kneel on its knees as if it would adore the city that its master was intent on destroying.

As Abraha neared Mecca, he sent them an emissary, telling them that he would not fight them if they did not resist his destruction of the Kaaba. Abdul Muttalib, the chief of Quraysh, responded that he would defend his own property, but God would defend His house, the Kaaba, and withdrew with his people. The next day, as Abraha prepared to enter the city, swarms of birds carrying small rocks came and bombarded the Ethiopian forces; each man that was hit was killed, and they fled in panic, as Abraha died a horrible death. The tribes saw this as a sign of the Kaaba’s holiness. According to the Abbasid account, this incident took place in 570 C.E. when the exalted Messenger was born; this year was commemorated as the “Aam-il Feel” (Year of the Elephant).


Ma joonisin need kohad siin alla, mis siis kattuksid Koraaniga.


105:1 Have you not seen what your Lord did to the people of the elephant?
Abraha, incensed, launched an expedition of 40,000 men against the Kaaba at Mecca led by a white elephant (and possibly with other elephants) in order to destroy the Kaaba.

105:2 Did He not cause their schemes to go astray?
...elephant couldn't make further steps into Mecca. Neither force nor dissuasion would make it advance towards Mecca.

105:3 And He sent upon them formations of birds in flight.
105:4 Striking them with fiery projectiles.
105:5 Until He turned them like devoured hay.
...swarms of birds carrying small rocks came and bombarded the Ethiopian forces; each man that was hit was killed, and they fled in panic, as Abraha died a horrible death

elevandid ei ole minu teada korbeloomad. Mis nipiga pidid nad need elajad yldse meka lahistele saama? Elevandid ei pea joomata vastu nii kaua kui kaamelid..

Kus on Koraanis oeldud,et elevandid suundusid Mekka poole?

See lugu voib vabalt olla ka valjamoeldis. POle ju raske lugeda neid viite varssi ja siis ise mingi suvaline lugu sinna juurde valja moelda. Ja siis alla joonida need kohad, mis sarnasemad on

Elevandid elavad ka kõrbetes.
Vähemalt Namiibias - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTWyjdE7W80

Nad kõnnivad sadu kilomeetreid maha, et leida toitu ja vett.

Siiri kirjutas:

elevandid ei ole minu teada korbeloomad. Mis nipiga pidid nad need elajad yldse meka lahistele saama? Elevandid ei pea joomata vastu nii kaua kui kaamelid..

Kus on Koraanis oeldud,et elevandid suundusid Mekka poole?

See lugu voib vabalt olla ka valjamoeldis. POle ju raske lugeda neid viite varssi ja siis ise mingi suvaline lugu sinna juurde valja moelda. Ja siis alla joonida need kohad, mis sarnasemad on

Rahu,
selle pärast ma küsisingi, et kas keegi oskab täpsemalt öelda, kes on elevandi inimesed. Selle loo lihtsalt leidsin. Ega pole ju öelnudki et see ka päriselt nii juhtus.

Nii, et rahu

eiei, ma oma motted kirjutasingi rahus ja seda, kes need inimesed olid, ei tea LIhtsalt need kysimused, mis kirja panin, kerkisid minul antud teemaga.. seeparast sinutoodud seletus minu jaoks loogilien pole muud midagi

rahu jah

ega minu jaoks ka nüüd see küll kõige parem lugu pole, ses suhtes, et sellele pole ju tegelikult mingeid tõendeidki ajaloost. et võib ju täiesti ollagi, et see lugu ongi nii tekkinud, et on võetud Koraan ja siis sealt värsside põhjal mingi selline lugu kokku pandud. Mulle endale meeldiks kui ka mingid ajaloolised ürikud vm räägiksid sellest, siis veel võib uskuda. Igatahes.

mnjah, ajaloolistes yrikutes peituv tode soltub ju ka kirjutajast ja sellest, mismoodi tema asju naeb

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13141.0

yks pikem artikkel ja arutlus selle kohta, kes nad olla voivad. akki saad siit miskit?

Rahu.

Siiri, sellest oli tõepoolest kasu. Seal oli välja toodud faktid, mis olid huvitavad lugeda ja nagu nende arutlusest aru oli saada, siis ega see vastus pole veel päris kindlalt leitud, et kes siiski olid elevandi inimesed, kelledest 105. suura räägib. Eks uuritakse veel edasi. Siiski tänud!!

Rahu ja armastust.

Yusuf Ali oma Koraani tähenduses on märkinud, et need Elevandi inimesed oli Abrahahi väed Abessiiniast, kes suure väega vallutasid Meka ning nende sõjaväes kasutati ka elevante.

Aga tundub, et sa vastasid sellel küsimusele ise ilusti ära.

Rahu,
muideks vaatasin just järgi, et kas Haljand Udami tõlkes on mingi kommentaar nende värsside kohta. Ja oli sama teema, et Abraha rünnak Meka suunas. Huvitav igatahes.

Hmm... leidsin päris imeliku seose sellega, et tänapäeval kutsutakse elevantinimesteks üht väga hullu luid ja nahka moonutavat haigust põdevaid inimesi Viimasel ajal on rohkem dokumentaale sellest näidatud Põhimõtteliselt kasvajalaadne haigus. Google'is võib saada "elephant man" alt infi ja pilte. Kuidagi üllatav lugeda, et Jumal neid just neab. Najakas seos küll, kuid arvestades Jumala viha nende vastu, võib see ehk midagi tähendada tänapäeva inimeste jaoks?

105:4-5 "Casting against them stones of baked clay. He made them like chewed up hay."

Väga kummaline tundub minu jaoks kuidagi

Selle haiguse nimetus on elevantsustõbi ehk lümfaatiline filariaas
http://paber.maaleht.ee/?page=&grupp=artikkel&artikkel=3215

Troopikas võib selle haiguse endale saada ka sääse hammustusest.

Jajah. Päris huvitav info. Ma mäletasin, et selle sündroomi nimi elevandiga seostus, kuid konkreetset nime ei teadnud