fennek
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Posted: 22 Sep 2007 06:46 am Post subject:
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Sarah wrote:
kas selle ayyaa vastuseks pole mingit "tarka" free-mindsi artiklit.
kas sa tahad toepoolest free-mindsi artiklit lugeda? eks ma siis otsi midagi sulle
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33:34 And bear in mind all that is recited in your homes of God’s messages and [His] wisdom: for God is unfathomable [in His wisdom], all-aware.
Jumal raagib kogu aeg Koraanist ja tarkusest (wisdom), lisaks kasib ta prohveti naistel jatta meelde koik mis prohvet kodus raagib KORAANIST ja TARKUSEST.... ei te miks?
No aga Koraanis ongi ju Tarkus. Koraan sisaldab kaske ja selles peituvat tarkust. Koraani on nimetatud mitut moodi: Meeldetuletus (alDhikr), Raamat (al Kitab)ja samuti Tarkus (alHikma)Toon moned naited:
“There has already come to them recitals wherein there is (enough) to check; delivery of Wisdom <Hikmatun Balighatun> - but the preaching of warners profits them not.” (54:4-5)
jargmises varsis on vaga selgelt kirjas et Koraan ongi see Tarkus:
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“These are of the Wisdom <al-Hikmati>, which your Lord has revealed to you. Take not, with Allah, another object of Worship, lest you should be thrown into hell, blameworthy and rejected” (17:39).
Naedsa, kui ilusasti on see tarkus kirjas: arge votke Jumala korval yhtki teist objekti ylistamiseks, voi visatakse teid syydlasena porgusse...
“This is what We rehearse <natluhu> to you of the Ayaat and the Reminder of Wisdom <al-Dhikr al-Hakeem>” (3:58)
sellest ayast loeme et "tarkust" retsiteeritakse
“And is it NOT ENOUGH for them that We have sent down <Anzalna> to you the Book, which is Recited <Yutla> to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and Reminder <Dhikr> to those who believe” (29:51)
siin on lausa kysitud, et kas sellest ei piisa, et allasaadetud raamatut retsiteeritakse. See varss valistab koik Koraanivalise. Seega kui "Tarkus" ongi valjaspool Koraani, siis parast selle varsi lugemist ei jaa kahtlust, et see varss jatab ta valja. Ka on siin kirjas et alla saadeti (anzalna) ainult Raamat(ja sellest piisab!!!), mis kinitab uuesti et Tarkus on Raamatus.
"And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom <al-Hikma>. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware." (33:34)
Siin kastakse meeles pidada seda, mida retsiteeritakse ja see kaib Koraani kohta.
vaata ka jargmisi varsse, milles on selgelt kirjas, et Tarkus on lihtsalt Koraani atribuut:
“Alif Laam Ra. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom <Kitaab al-Hakeem>” (10:1)
“Alif Lam Mim. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom” (31:1-2)
“Ta Sin. By the Qur’an full of Wisdom” (36:1-2)
“We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, so that you may use your Aqal. And verily it is in the Mother of The Book, in Our Presence, High, Full of Wisdom” (43:3-4)
aga kui koigest eelnevast veel ei piisanud, siis tegelikult jargmine varss ytleb koik:
“Ha Mim. And the Book of Clarity <Kitaab al-Mubeen>. We sent it down during a blessed night: for We wish to warn. In that is made distinct EVERY affair of WISDOM” (44:1-4)
sellest ayast ei jaa kahtlust, et Kitaab al-Mubeen = Koraan sisaldab TARKUSE IGAT TAHKU!
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Sarah
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Posted: 03 Oct 2007 04:48 pm Post subject:
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Posted: 03 Oct 2007 05:00 pm Post subject:
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2:129 "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
2:151 A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you an Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and wisdom, and in new knowledge.
2:231 ... Do not treat Allah's Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse Allah's favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and wisdom, for your instruction. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is well acquainted with all things.
Ei saa kuidagi Book and Wisdom sama asja tahendada Prohvetile anti tarkus ja inspiratsioon mis voimaldas tal meile Islami opetada.
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fennek
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Posted: 03 Oct 2007 09:16 pm Post subject:
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Ei saa kuidagi Book and Wisdom sama asja tahendada
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“Ta Sin. By the Qur’an full of Wisdom” (36:1-2)
Jumal ytleb et Koraan on Tarkust tais: The Quran full of wisdom
“Alif Lam Mim. These are the Verses of the Book of Wisdom” (31:1-2)
Tarkust tais Raamatu varsid...
“We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, so that you may use your Aqal. And verily it is in the Mother of The Book, in Our Presence, High, Full of Wisdom” (43:3-4)
Siin on jallegi vaga selgelt kirjas et Koraan on tarkust tais
“Ha Mim. And the Book of Clarity <Kitaab al-Mubeen>. We sent it down during a blessed night: for We wish to warn. In that is made distinct EVERY affair of WISDOM” (44:1-4)
Kui Jumal ytleb Koraanis, et See on selge raamat, milles on toodud valja Tarkuse iga tahk, siis peaks see ju siililegi selge olema, et seesama tarkus sisaldub Koraanis endas. Selle tunnistuseks on piisavalt varsse Koraanis.
Aga kuidas sina siis neist minu poolt valja toodud varssidest aru saad? Kas Koraan siis sinu arust ei sisaldagi tarkuse igat aspekti? Mida muudmoodi on voimalik neist konkreetsetest varssidest aru saada ilma et tekiks vastuolu teiste Koraanis endas toodud varssidega? Sest Koraan teatavasti on terviklik teos..
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Posted: 02 Dec 2007 09:19 am Post subject:
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ega jah, paistab, et minu kysimustele vastuseid ei saagi...
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piretiks
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Posted: 03 Dec 2007 08:26 am Post subject:
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ei noh, kui inimene aru ei taha saada, ega siis ei saagi. ja vastu nagu ka ühtegi arugementi tuua pole- siis ongi vaikus. vat kuidas inimestes tõrksus töötab
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