Vanast foorumist: Kes on muhameedlased?

Nektub



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Posted: 17 May 2007 06:43 pm Post subject: Kes on muhameedlased(arvamus)

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Leidsin netiavarustest uhe sellise arvamuse :

Muhameedlased on termin ,millega moslemid tihti kokku puutuvad.Moslemid vaidavad, et nad teenivad ainult Jumalat.Siiski, see ei naita nende tegelikke puudlusi, oppides ja uuridas koiki Muhamedi eluseiku.Nagu kristlased uurivad Kristuse elu, nii uurivad ka moslemid puhendunult Muhamedi elu.Material Muhamedi elu kohta on arvukas ja uksikasjalik.Nad kirjutavad luuletusi, et kiita Muhamedi,Nad lahevad palverannakule, et kulastada Muhamedi hauda.Nad puuavad jaljendada Muhamedi kaitumist.Siiski ei ole muhameedlus Muhamedi teenimine,kuigi Muhamedi vaadeldakse midagi enama ,kui vaid inimesena.Koik intelligentsed olevused on loodud ulistama Muhamedi.(33:56)

Mida arvate, kumb on olulisem,kas sonum voi sonumitooja?

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Sarah
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Posted: 20 Jun 2007 08:47 pm Post subject:

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Ukski moslem ei ulista Prohvet Mohammedi (PBUH) enam kui prohvetina, nii tuutu on sellist rumalust kuulata kogu aeg.

Mohammed (PBUH) oli ikkagi Jumala viimane prohvet. Allah on meil kaskinud tema eeskuju jargi elada ja teda endale opetlaseks votma. Ja Mohammedi armastama rohkem kui oma enese peret.

Kuid see mohammedlaste jutt on harimatu inimes jutt, kes ei tea kuidas tegelikult asjad kaivad.

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Nektub



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Posted: 21 Jun 2007 12:03 am Post subject:

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Eks inimlikult ole muidugi moistetav,et puutakse Muhamedi isiklikku elu jargida,ehhki tuleks siiski rohkem tahelepanu poorata tema opetusele.Tegelikult polegi midagi halba selles, et Muhamedi eluseiku uuritakse ja puutakse koiges temaga sarnaneda,aga kas tasub seda ikka nii tahtsaks pidada? Pea asi, et meie kohta ei kaiks sonad -minu rahvas on huljanud selle Koraani(25:31)

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fennek



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Posted: 21 Jun 2007 07:39 am Post subject:

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Sarah wrote:
Ukski moslem ei ulista Prohvet Mohammedi (PBUH) enam kui prohvetina, nii tuutu on sellist rumalust kuulata kogu aeg.

Mohammed (PBUH) oli ikkagi Jumala viimane prohvet. Allah on meil kaskinud tema eeskuju jargi elada ja teda endale opetlaseks votma. Ja Mohammedi armastama rohkem kui oma enese peret.

Kuid see mohammedlaste jutt on harimatu inimes jutt, kes ei tea kuidas tegelikult asjad kaivad.


ma arvasin ka varem, et kes nimetab moslemeid muhameedlasteks, on lihtsalt harimatud. ent jarelemoeldes on selles siiski oma iva - kas me ei peaks olema lihtsalt moslemid? lihtsalt need, kes kummardavad Jumalat ja lasevad sellel ka just sedamoodi valja paista? Mina olen aru saanud, et just selline peab yks moslem olema. Aga noh see on lihtsalt nii nagu mina isiklikult seda tajun. igayhele oma. Ja prohvet Muhammad oli toepoolest moslemitele suureks eeskujuks. nagu ka koik teised prohvetid - need, keda Koraanis on mainitud ja need, keda pole. Mina ei tee neil vahet, kuna usun, et nad koik olid suureparased eeskujud inimkonnale, keda jargida ja Koraani abiga saame me seda suureparaselt teha, sest see raagib paljude prohvetite lugusid, mille yle motiskleda ja mida jargida pyyda.

rahu!

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Sarah
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Posted: 10 Jul 2007 04:43 pm Post subject:

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Nektub wrote:
Eks inimlikult ole muidugi moistetav,et putakse Muhamedi isiklikku elu jargida,ehhki tuleks siiski rphkem tahelepanu poorata tema opetusele.tegelikult polegi midagi halba selles, et Muhamedi eluseiku uuritakse ja puutakse koiges temaga sarnaneda,aga kas tasub seda ikka nii tahtsaks pidada? Pea asi, et meie kohta ei kaiks sonad -minu rahvas on huljanud selle Korani(25:31)



13:7. And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.

33: 21. Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exempler for him who hopes in Allah and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah.

33: 6. The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Book of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muh�jirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Book (of Allah).

59:7. ... So take what the Messenger gives you, and refrain from what he prohibits you. And fear Allah: for Allah is strict in Punishment.

68: 4. And surely thou hast sublime morals.

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fennek



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Posted: 12 Jul 2007 11:28 am Post subject:

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5:48
Yusuf Ali tolge

To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

3:20

So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to God and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in God's sight are (all) His servants.

16:82

But if they turn away, thy duty is only to preach the clear Message.

Kus on juttu millestki enamast kui sõnumist e Koraanist? Kus on kirjas ,et prohveti isiklikust elust matti tuleb võtta? Kus on üldse lubatud inimestel üles kirjutada prohvetist muud peale Koraani? Kus andis Jumal selleks loa? Kus andis prohvet selleks loa? Palun viidet Koraanist!
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17:36

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Sarah
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Posted: 20 Jul 2007 09:39 pm Post subject:

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Milles probleem?, prohveti ylesanne ei olnud kedagi sundida moslemiks hakkama, seda saab teha ainult Jumal. Seda sinupoolt valjatoodud ayad ka toestavad.

33:45-46 O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and Warner,-
And as one who invites to Allah's (Grace) by His leave, and as a Lamp spreading Light.