fennek
Joined: 20 May 2007
Posts: 591
Location: London/Tartu
Posted: 24 Aug 2007 07:54 am Post subject:
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Mida ma silmas pean? No naiteks selliseid keelde, mis erinevate islamisektide hulgas osaks islamist peetakse:
muusika kuulamise ja musitseerimise keeld (ehk siis saatanast pidavat olema just see instrumentaalosa)
meestele kulla ja siidi kandmine (aga naistele on see yllataval kombel lubatud)
praegu ei tule rohkem meelde. aga kui tuleb, eks taiendan seda nimekirja.
Inimesed, kes usuvad, et sellised keelud on osa islamist, on sisuliselt iidolikummardajad, kuna neil on teine autoriteet peale Jumala, kelle kasud ja ka keelud neile Jumala omadest olulisemad on.
O you who believe, do not forbid the good things that God has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; God does not like the aggressors.
5:87
Iga moslem, kes usub, et Koraan on Jumalast, peab seda Jumala Sonaks, mille jargi elada.
Kas siis jargmised varsid ei kai nende kohta?
“'Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?'” Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt." (The Message 6:114 )
6:115
And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice, there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
Vaatamata sellele et Jumal ytleb et Koraan on detailideni yksikasjalik, usuvad nemad, et sellised detailid, mis puutuvad muusikasse jt sellelaadsesse, on Jumal Koraanist valja jatnud!!! Vaatamata sellele, et Jumal on oelnud,et Koraan on loplik, vaidetakse, et sellest on palju puudu, mida leiab vaid hadithitest!
"And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Scripture as a clarification for all things, and a guide and mercy and good tidings to those who have surrendered." (The Message 16:89)
Vaatamata sellele, et Koraanis on kirjas et Jumal on saatnud Kirjutise selgitamaks koiki asju ja juhiseks neile, kes on alistunud, arvavad paljud, et moned asjad on ikka valja jaanud ja et meil on vaja mujalt juhiseid juurde. Nad arvavad, et Koraanist ei piisa!
Ent ometigi peaksid nad votma otsustamisel ainsaks kriteeriumiks Jumala poolt alla saadetud kirjutise ja MITTE jargima inimeste soove ja ihasid:
"And We have sent down to you the Scripture with truth, authenticating what is present of the Scripture and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute." (The Message 5:48)
Aga kui nad poorduvad eemale Jumala sonast, siis on nad polyteistide seast ja tegelikult nad ei usu ega usalda Jumalat, kui Ta ytleb, et Tema sonast piisab, et Tema sona on detailne ja et sellest pole midagi valja jaetud. Neile ei piisa iial Jumalast, neil on vaja inim-iidoleid.
6:106
Follow what is inspired to you from your Lord; there is no god but He, and turn away from those who have set-up partners.
6:150
Say: "Bring forth your witnesses who bear witness that God has forbidden this." If they bear witness, then do not bear witness with them, nor follow the desires of those who deny Our revelations, and those who do not believe in the Hereafter; and they make equals with their Lord!
Seega toogu lagedale oma tunnistajad, kes vaidavad, et muusika voi naiteks kuld meestele on keelatud! Ent kui nad tunnistavad, siis usklikud nendega koos sama tunnistada ei saa, sest see oleks Jumala ilmutuste eitamine!
Aga ega sinna suurt miskit parata saa. Kes ei usu, see ei usu sest nagu
6:125 kirjutab:
Whoever God wishes to guide, He will open his chest towards surrender; and whoever He wishes to misguide, He will make his chest tight and constricted, as one who is climbing towards the sky. It is such that God afflicts those who do not believe.
"And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord’s verses but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding them, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided." (The Message 18:57)
And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!" (The Message 39:45)
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fennek
Joined: 20 May 2007
Posts: 591
Location: London/Tartu
Posted: 24 Aug 2007 08:03 am Post subject:
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noh ja siis veel see:
[3.78] Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know.
Niiet vaanaku siis islamit.. Vaitku, et need keelud on Jumalast, kuigi Jumalasonas pole neist yhtegi.. Jumal pole midagi Koraanist valja jatnud. Koik on seal olemas. Koraan on selge raamat, millest igayks kes siiralt soovib, saab Jumala abiga aru just niipalju, kui Jumal arusaamist talle annab.. Kui talle sellest ei piisa, mis Jumal annab, ja usub, et moni inimene (usujuht) selgitab talle paremini kui Jumal, siis Jumal temaga. Kyll viimselpaeval moistus pahe tuleb.
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Nektub
Joined: 16 May 2007
Posts: 312
Location: Dublin
Posted: 24 Aug 2007 06:16 pm Post subject:
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Neid keelde on paris palju leiutatud,nagu naiteks ei tohtivat ei meeste ega naiste riietusel olla inimese voi looma pilte.Moni vaidab, et mehed ei tohi kasutada erksaid varve.
Suua tuleb parema jaa tagumikku puhkida vasaku kaega.
Pealeht 
Teis Aug 26, 2008 5:22 pm