fennek
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Posted: 23 Aug 2007 03:29 pm Post subject: Toitumisalased keelud
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Toitumisalased keelud.
Haroon Khan'i poolt kirjutatud (e-mail:
Sooly@globalnet.co.uk)
www.free-minds.org Toitumisalased seadused nagu ka muud kasud islamis moodustavad tahtsa osa religioonist, mida peaksid koik moslemid jargima. Kahjuks on labi aegade moslemid teinud samu vigu nagu juudid tegid. Nagu juudid nii ka moslmid leiutasid ekstra seadusi mis puudutab toitu ja vaitsid, et need tulevad Jumalast.
Inshallah (Jumala sooviga), proovin naidata millised on toitumisalased seadused Koraanis, mis on yksikasjadeni detailne (6:114). Myyt, mis seostatakse halal toitudega vaidab, et toit ei ole halal, kui loom pole tapetud nii-nimetatud islamlikul viisil (loigates kori labi noaga samal ajal retsiteerides/mainides Jumala nime).
Vaatleme varsse Koraanist, mis raagivad toidust, mis on seaduslik.
“O people, eat from the earth's products all that is lawful and good, and do not follow the steps of Satan; he is your most ardent enemy.” 2:168
Meid julgustatakse sooma koike toite, mida maa pakub, mis on seaduslikud ja eriti rohutatakse mitte jargimast Saatanat, sest tema missioon on meid eemale juhtida Jumala teest. ( 7:16-17).
Meile oeldakse veelkord: sooge koigest, mis on seaduslik:
“O you who believe, eat from the good things we provided for you, and be thankful to God, if you do worship Him alone. He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. If one is forced without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.” 7:172-173
Poora tahelepanu selle varsi algusele. Meile on oeldud, et voime syya koigest, mis meile on antud ja peame olema tanulikud Jumalale, KUI me Teda yksi ylistame. Neli liiki toitu on spetsiaalselt keelatud:
1. Loomad , mis ise surevad (Sellest on allpool veel juttu)
2. Veri (Allpool selgitatud)
3. Sigade liha
4. Koik, mis on pyhendatud kellelegi muule kui Jumalale
(see laheb juba iidolikummardamise alla, mis on ainus andeksandmatu patt, kui hoitakse surmani. 5:87, 9:37, 7:32, 6:119, 6:140 and 10:59.)
Loomad, kes surevad ise, voib kolada kui ahmane kategooria, kuid Koraan on raamat, mis selgitab end ise, seega on see kategooria detailideni selgitatud jargmises varsis:
“Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal--unless you save your animal before it dies--and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Islam (Submission) as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food ), without being deliberately sinful, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.” 5:3
Nyyd verd puudutav osa, teine kategooria, mis on keelatud. Sest vereteema on just see, mida tuuakse oigustuseks nn "halal" lihale. Pohi argument on et loomad, keda tapetakse nn islamiviisil (loigates kori labi noaga) jooksevad enamusest verest tyhjaks. See tahendab, et loomad tuleb tappa just sel viisil voi muidu me ei tohi neid syya. Inimesed, kes teevad asja selle tingimusega raskemaks, unustasid, et Jumal ei soovi meie usku teha meile raskeks jargida.
“…..God does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.” 5:6
Kui Jumal ei soovi meile raskusi, siis peab olema selgitus, mis seletab lahti vere kategooria. Jallegi leiame Koraanist selgituse:
`Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except: (1) carrion (animals that die of themselves) , (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) anything blasphemously dedicated to other than God." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.` 6:145
Jumal Oma loputus halastuses on selgitanud, et jooksev veri on see, mis on meile keelatud, mitte veri, mis lihasse kinni jaanud!
Nyyd siis osa juurde, mis raagib Jumala nime mainimisest toidu juurde, mida me soome.
“You shall eat from that upon which God's name has been pronounced, if you truly believe in His revelations.” 6:118
“Why should you not eat from that upon which God's name has been mentioned? He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.” 6:119
“Do not eat from that upon which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is an abomination. The devils inspire their allies to argue with you; if you obey them, you will be idol worshipers.” 6:121
Kas ei paista silma, et ykski neist varssidest ei vaida et me PEAME nimetama Jumala nime looma tapmise ajal? See ei ole viga voi juhus, sest kui Jumal oleks tahtnud seda oelda, siis Ta oleks seda ka teinud. Jumalal ei saa sonad otsa (vt 18:109). Me peame siiski mainima Jumala nime enne kui me midagi soome, andmaks meile voimaluse maletada Jumalat ja olla tanulik toidu eest.
Jumal on detailselt seletanud, mis on meile keelatud (vt 6:145) ja meil pole mingit oigust keelata midagi, mida Jumal pole keelanud.
“They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by God. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors have incurred a painful retribution.” 42:21
Meil pole lubatud keelata midagi, mida Jumal ei keelanud, jargides pimesi neid, kes selliseid seadusi leiutavad, on shirk/iidolikummardamine.
Muideks, valede toitumisalaste seaduste leiutamine ja siis nende Jumalale omistamine pole uus asi:
“They said, "These are livestock and crops that are prohibited; no one shall eat them except whomever we permit," so they claimed. They also prohibited the riding of certain livestock. Even the livestock they ate, they never pronounced GOD's name as they sacrificed them. Such are innovations attributed to Him. He will surely requite them for their innovations. They also said, "What is in the bellies of these livestock is reserved exclusively for the males among us, and prohibited for our wives." But if it was a still birth, they permitted their wives to share therein. He will certainly requite them for their innovations. He is Most Wise, Omniscient.” 6:138-139
Ajalugu kordab end ja tana oleme jallegi vastamisi valede toitumisalaste seadustega, mis seekord on votnud "halaal liha" vormi, mis pole ainult inimleiutis, vaid on lausa riike, kus Halaal Liha poodide omanikud myyvad sellist liha kallima hinnaga neile, kes arvavad ,et see on nende ainus valik! Ja inimestel jatkub julgust vaita, et see on kask Jumalalt!!!
Nagu alati, on Jumalal parim argument ja kysib neilt, kes leiutavad valeseadusi Tema nimel:
“Say, "Did you note how GOD sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did GOD give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to GOD?" Does it ever occur to those who fabricate lies about GOD that they will have to face Him on the Day of Resurrection? Certainly, GOD showers the people with His grace, but most of them are unappreciative.” 10:59-60
Kokkuvotteks: on ainult 4 keelatud toidukategooriat:
1. Loomad, kes surevad ise (laiemalt lahti seletatud 5:3)
2. Jooksev veri
3. sealiha
4. Koik, mis pyhendatud kellelegi teisele kui Jumalale.
Lisaks sellele peame alati nimetama Jumala nime enne kui midagi soome.
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migro
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minul küsimus konkreetselt sealiha kohta. See on keelatud aga selget põhjust pole mina veel leidnud. Siiamaani pole ükski moslem mulle seda ka ära suutnud põhjendada. On eriveaid väiteid, nagu see pole tervislik või see, et sead söövad kõike. Kas pole veider, meie eestlaste esivanemad on sealiha söönud läbi aegade. Igal islami reeglil on minu jaoks siiamaani olnud sügav ja moslemeid kaitsev tähendus. Kuid sealiga söömise keelust pole ma veel siiani aru saanud. Kas keegi oskaks mulle seda lihtsas eesti keeles ära seletada.
Vabandan, kui mu küsimus rumal tundub, seda ilmselt nii mõnelgi põhjusel. Nimelt, ei ole ma veel jõudnud ei Koraani ega antud foorumit läbi lugeda. Vabandan, kui see küsimus on korduv antud foorumis.
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Pealeht 
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