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Nektub



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Posted: 24 Dec 2007 09:26 pm Post subject:

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Idolatrous rituals in Hajj that violate the Quran:



The ‘Black stone’

At one corner of the Kaba, traditional Muslims seek the blessing of a black stone. Such practice has no support in the Quran. It was innovated by someone through the hadiths books.

The water of ‘Zamzam’

There is nothing in our religion that makes of Zamzam water any blessed water than any other water. Many of the Hajj visitors claim all kinds of blessings and cure by this water on no basis. We should remember to give all the qualities of cure and blessings to God Almighty, not to a cup or a can of Zamzam water.

The shortening of the Noon and Afternoon Salat

This custom has no Quranic basis. On the contrary, God in the Quran very clearly tells us when we need to shorten the Salat (during war).

[4:101] "When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (Salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies."

Hajj by a Deputy!

God asserts the fact that each soul will be held accountable only to what it has done.

[ 53:39] "Every human being is responsible for his own works."

In spite of these clear assurances in the Quran, we find Muslims today doing Hajj and Umrah for their dead relatives. They do that in accordance with various alleged hadiths that claim you can do Hajj, fast and also give Zakat on behalf of your dead relatives! These hadiths are in direct contradiction to the Quran and cannot possibly originate from the prophet Muhammad who followed the Quran.


Women not allowed to do Hajj without a Mihrim!

This practice has no Quranic basis.

Women (during menstruation) deprived of their Prayers, (and thus not completing Hajj rituals) !

This restriction has no basis in the Quran and deprive the women of an essential part of their religious practice.

Visiting the Prophet's Tomb in Medina

Unfortunately, most of today's Muslims make it a custom to visit the Prophet Muhammad's tomb in the masjid that carries his name in Medina. By doing that they are committing the most flagrant acts of idolatry and thus nullify their Hajj.

Hajj is meant to be for GOD ALONE. Hajj is older than the prophet Muhammad himself. Abraham and his descendants performed Hajj, they did not have a prophet's tomb to visit. The prophet Muhammad himself did his Hajj the correct way without dedicating his Hajj to anyone else besides God.

The Quran consistently talks about "The Sacred Mosque," while today's Muslims talk about "The Two Sacred Mosques" ! In a glaring act of idolatry, these Muslims have set up Muhammad's tomb as another "Sacred Mosque" ! This is blasphemous violation of the Quran and ironically, even violates Hadith. It is interesting to know that traditional Muslims claim to believe in a sahih (confirmed) Hadith in which the prophet Muhammad declared that God cursed the Jews and the Christians because they built places of worship around their prophet's tombs.

The price of abandoning God’s Law


Because many Muslims abandoned God's laws for Hajj many problems and disasters have been happening in and around the Hajj season.

If Hajj is spread over the four months as commanded by God in the Quran all the millions of Muslims who wish to make it to Hajj would have a fair chance to do so. The overcrowding with all its multiple problems and difficulties will be eliminated.
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piretiks



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 10:39 am Post subject:

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eks inimsoole on alati imponeerinud igasugused müstilised asjad, küll imettegev vesi või mõni muu sarnane asi-olenevalt hariduse tasemest või kultuuri omapärast kestab selline asi ka tänapäeval. Mis teha. Usun, et ega midagi väga kurja sellega toime ei panda, kui inimene arvab, et mõnel allikal imettegev vägi on- eks kõik maailmas Jumala loodud ja kasvõi võilille kummardades Jumala sümbolina, kummardame ju tegelikult Jumalat. See küll naljakas näide ja teame kõik et muid iidoleid Jumala kõrval olla ei saa...aga noh, näiteks lihtsalt.

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Nektub



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 11:14 am Post subject:

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No see asi on kull upris tobe, et tehakse palverannak surnutele!
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piretiks



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 02:18 pm Post subject:

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eks ta ole jah, aga mis teha. Eks ole Muhammedki surnud- ometi palutakse tema nimel, ülistatakse teda , kujundatakse temast pea Jumalasarnane olevus. Sama asi, kas pole?

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fennek



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 03:59 pm Post subject:

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iidolikummardamine jaab iidolikummardamiseks. Jumalale antud lubadustest tuleb kinni pidada. moslemid loevad palves 1. peatyki, milles on muuhulgas lubadus Jumalale:

sind yksi me teenime/kummardame/ylistame, sinult yksi palume abi...

Jumal yksi ei ole sama, mis Jumal ja Muhammad voi Jumal ja Jeesus...
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piretiks



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 05:37 pm Post subject:

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Muidugi ei ole, aga inimesed on ekslikud ja sellest peab ka aru saama, kui mõni inimene suudab sellest aru saada, suudab Jumal ammugi. Kui inimene südames kummardab Jumalat, ja soovib selle näitlikustamiseks näiteks puud või päikest kummardada...noh, mina isiklikult ei näe selles suurt pattu.Kuigi ise nii ei teeks. Mina pole kohtumõistja muidugi ka. Ma usun ja eeldan, et inimene ikka Jumala poole püüdleb. See püüdlus on minu arvates olulisem, see otsimine ja tahe Jumalani jõuda, kui perfektne olemine kõiges. Niikaua kui selliste naljakate tegemistega kellelegi haiget ja valu ei tehta, on asi lihtsalt kombestikus ja tavades ja kultuuris, mis tihti lihtsalt sisse kasvatatud ja millest inimene ehk ei teagi, et see just kõige sobivam vorm pole.
Näe- mul ka küünlad põlevad kodusel altaril ja jasmiini viiruk ja siis on mul seal veel valge kassikese kuju ja Buddha pilt...aga kedagi ega midagi neist ma ju ei kummarda...ma vaatan neid ja meel läheb rahulikuks ja parem Jumala poole pöörduda. Ma ei oska kuidagi seda tunnet teisiti kirjeldada.

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fennek



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 09:18 pm Post subject:

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ohoh voi sul on kodus altar? mida see endast kujutab? kusjuures mul on alati tunne olnud, et kui endale oma isikliku maja saan, siis peaks kah mingisuguse palve-nurga vms tegema. noh midagi spetsiaalselt sel otstarbel, et Jumalat meenutada
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piretiks



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Posted: 25 Dec 2007 09:31 pm Post subject:

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noh, see on väga tagasihoidlik- selline algaja altar nagu ma isegi olen. Aga kuna ma ei ole ka väga järjekindel usulistes talitlustes, siis on altari olemasolu nagu pidevaks meeldetuletuseks mulle. Kuigi- Jumal on minu mõtetes nö. söögi alla ja söögi peale
tegelikult lihtsalt üks väike vanaaegne lauake-kus siis need ülalmainitud asjad, viirukialused ja üht teist veel.
Ma usun, et altar on inimese ja Jumala vaheline asi, milline ta on, see on oma sisetunnetuse küsimus.Minu jaoks on see, ma ei tea kas just ülivajalik, aga tundsin et tahan sellist kohta oma majja. Korrastab mõtteid jms.