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fennek



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Posted: 20 Oct 2007 10:56 pm Post subject:

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http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.105
by Tanveer

YAWM AL-JUM3AH:

My understanding of "yawm al-jum3ati" according to al-qur'aan is as follows:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12991.msg106788#msg106788

The word "yaum" in al-qur'aan refers to a time period and not necessarily a 24 hour day.

In my understanding, there is no such thing as the Friday salaat according to al-qur'aan. There is no basis of a seven day week from al-qur'aan. The proper name of the day Jum'ah was hijacked from the common noun "al-jum'ah" from 62:9 meaning "the assembly or gathering" and "yaum al-jum'ah" in 62:9 means "time of the assembly/gathering". Now Allah never leaves anything vague/unclear in al-qur'aan. Which time is the time of the assembly/gathering according to al-qur'aan then ? If we look closely we find that the only time we are called to gather/assemble in this world in al-qur'aan is for hajj:

22:27 And call out to the people with the hajj, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.

In my understanding the "yaum al-jum'ah" in 62:9 refers to this time when the people are gathered for hajj and 62:9 refers to the call to the salat at this particular assembly/gathering for hajj and then the command to hasten towards remembring Allah and CEASE ALL SELLING makes total sense.

I would like to quote a relevant excerpt from brother Ayman's article "How did it come to this? (part 1):

"Another interesting common thread that runs through several of those idols is that they all had association with Friday. For example, Ashtoreth is connected to Friday. So is Venus, where the Romans named Friday after her as "dies veneris". The very name Friday is derived from the Norse goddess, Frigga. When the Germanic tribes invaded England they imposed their goddess upon the day meant to honor Venus. The day was called Frigedaeg, which gradually became "Friday". I don't think that it is a coincidence that Friday also became the "holy day" for sectarians who venerate Allat/Aphrodite and her black cube and Black Stone." - Ayman

May The God guide us all to the truth.

Ja siis lisaks veel selline arvamus:

Peace,

I don't see the need to look for a specific day or time of gathering/socialization. A time of gathering (yawmul-jumu&at) like al-ibil in 88:17 i.e Camels not the (specific) camels or al-malaku in 89:22, here meaning angels or (all) the angels and not just 'the (specific) angel' includes every time of jumu&at and jumu&at is any socialization or gathering of people.
So it is not just hajj, although it includes hajj. It is when we are in our houses chatting, talking on the phone, at the mall, in a meeting, at a fair or at any event that has to do with human socialization of some sort.

Idhaa noodia in this context is literally 'whenever/if called, invited or summoned.' So whenever we are invited, called or summoned to prayer, min (which means during or away from) during an event or pulling us away from an event we are to go and pray and leave behind any type of trade as well (as we all know people are overly concerned about money and their livelihood). Prayer is to come first.

So honestly we need, when God has called us to pray or when others remind us, to pray and then come back to what we were doing. The intasharoo of 62:10 is obviously saying go about the land as you would normally after praying and is a collective commmand for all those who would stop what they are doing to have a word and think on our Lord.

There is no assumed specific gathering being addressed in these passages.

Godbless,
Anwar
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Nektub



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Posted: 22 Oct 2007 03:01 pm Post subject:

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No jah, moslemitel pidi ju igapaev olema side Jumalaga, mitte nagu kristlastel , kes peavad jumalateenistusi puhapaeviti voi moned laupaeviti?
Aga ma olen lugenud uhest islamiajaloolisest raamatust,et Muhamed valis oma jumalateenistuse paevaks just reede, kuna siis said ka juudid ka kristlased nendest osa votta.Juutidel oli selleks paevaks laupaev ja kristlastel puhapaev,seega olid nad reedeti vabad.
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piretiks



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Posted: 26 Oct 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:

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mulle tuli siit tuutav üks tunne-mõte...et kui tunned kutset sisimas palvetada, tuleb kõik muu kõrvale panna ja palvetada? sain õigesti aru? Kusjuures mina olen samuti seda tunnet tundnud, aga sugugi mitte alati sellele järgnenud

O you who believe (Muslims)! When the call is proclaimed for the Salât (prayer) on the day of Friday (Jumu'ah prayer), come to the remembrance of Allâh [Jumu'ah religious talk (Khutbah) and Salât (prayer)] and leave off business (and every other thing), that is better for you if you did but know! (Al-Jumu'ah 62:9)

Friday is called Al-Jumu`ah because it is derived from Al-Jam`, literally, gathering. The people of Islam gather weekly, on every Friday in the major places of worship. It was during Friday when Allah finished the creation, the sixth day, during which Allah created the heavens and earth. During Friday, Allah created Adam, and he was placed in Paradise, and ironically, it was a Friday when he was taken out of Paradise. It will be on a Friday when the Last Hour will commence. There is an hour during Friday, wherein no faithful servant asks Allah for something good, but Allah will give him what he asked for. All of this is based upon Hadiths in the authenic collections. In the ancient language Friday was called, `Arubah. It is a fact that previous nations were informed about Friday, but they were led astray from it. The Jews chose Saturday for their holy day, but Adam was not created on Saturday. The Christians chose Sunday, which is the day the creation was initiated. Allah chose Friday for this Ummah, because it is the day the creation was finished.Al-Bukhari and Muslim recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said -

We are the last (to come) but the first on the Day of Resurrection, though the former nations were given the Scriptures before us. And this was their day (Friday) the celebration of which was made compulsory for them, but they differed about it. So, Allah gave us guidance to it, and all other people are coming after us: the Jews tomorrow and the Christians the day after tomorrow.'' This is the wording of Al-Bukhari in another narration of Muslim.

Allah diverted those who were before us from Friday. For the Jews there was Saturday, and for the Christians there was Sunday. Allah then brought us and guided us to Friday. He made them; Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and it is in this order they will come after us on the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of among the people of this world and the first among the created to be judged on the Day of Resurrection.